“People have to take responsibility for their own health”
Dr. Carolyn Dean
Dr. Veronica Anderson, Host, Functional Medicine Specialist and Medical Intuitive interviews Dr. Carolyn Dean on preventing death from modern medicine.
Do prescription pills help or harm your health? Medical doctor, intuitive and naturopath Dr. Carolyn Dean has been in the forefront of health issues for almost 40 years. She provides you with the support you desire to fulfill your pledge to take responsibility for your own health.
In this episode, Dr. Dean talks about investing in your health through herbal products, vitamins, minerals and a healthy diet. She speaks on the effects of stress, eating out and GMO foods have on the body. Listen to the end, to find out if supplements are actually regulated by the FDA. For more with Dr. Dean, see Women, Heart Attacks and Magnesium.
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21: Show Notes
Dr. Veronica Anderson’s Links
Death by Modern Medicine: https://drveronica.com/deathmodernmedicine
02:30 – Herbal products and supplements
06:00 – Investing in your health
07:40 – Vitamins and minerals
10:45 – Bacteria and yeast overgrowth
12:00 – Magnesium deficiency
12:45 – Stress, eating out, & GMO food
14:19 – Earning two degrees
16:00 – Atrial Fibrillation: Remineralize Your Heart
18:00 – Are supplements regulated by FDA?
24:00 – Media protection and headline news
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Dr. Veronica: I’m Dr. Veronica, drveronica.com. I’m a medical doctor and a medical intuitive. I help people see clearly. In the first part of my career that was as an eye surgeon. But now it’s as the clairvoyant doctor and health coach. And I’m helping you see what you don’t get to see every day in health care, in life, in relationships, but especially with your body, mind, and how they link together. And what’s going on that people can’t be so healthy.
I have here with me my trusty co-host Russell Cook. He’s the guy with the voice that you hear a lot with me. Russell’s going to jump in and out. Say hi Russell.
Russell: Hi, how are you Veronica? It’s good to be here.
Dr. Veronica: I want to introduce my next guest really quickly to you so we have a lot of time to talk to her, and so you can hear all the wonderful things that she has to say. She is a very learned woman and a prolific author. Her name is Dr. Carolyn Dean. She is an MD and also an ND, so she is a naturopathic physician and a traditional MD.
We’re going to talk a little bit about how she became both, or why she became both. But one of the favorite titles that you want to know about today in America is her book called Death By Modern Medicine. I tell people all the time, for every dollar that’s spent on a pharmaceutical there is one dollar treated on a side effect.
Do you understand? We are having just as many side effects from the medicine that we’re given as treatments. And the medicine that we’re giving most of the time doesn’t cure it. It puts a band aid on the problem and just obscures what needs to be cured and what’s going on underlying.
I’m going to bring on Dr. Carolyn Dean. Dr. Dean, thank you for being on the show.
Dr. Carolyn: Thank you Dr. Veronica and Russell for having me.
Dr. Veronica: Dr. Dean, tell us about Death By Modern Medicine first. It’s just such an interesting title. I agree with it. Amazing. How did you end up writing that book?
Dr. Carolyn: I was interested in a line of herbal products. I’ve been doing a homeopathic acupuncture injectable treatment and I wanted to turn it into a herbal capsule treatment. And I began to find out back in 2004, 2005 that there is something called Codex Alimentarius, which is the World Health Organization and the international organization that controls supplements and food. It’ll come to me in a minute. They wanted to legislate what supplements and what foods could cross borders. And I wanted to find out is what were their criteria.
I went to Europe, I went to two Codex meetings and found out that the World Health Organization and the World Trade Organization, that’s the second one, they were promoting synthetic supplements, low potency. They were allowing member nations in the World Health Organization to use adulterated foods, arsenic, mercury, etc., they would allow the highest levels.
We began to realize that our supplements were under attack. And we know that. We know that medications have become the primary treatment for all disease and health conditions that supplement industry, which is now multi-billion dollar industry, it’s come under attack.
And actually Dr. Veronica, did you know about the recent PBS special where they came right out, January 19th, bashing supplements. We’re under major attack. And this comes on the heels of a 2014 report on the various deaths by medications, BeeSting supplements. There’s zero deaths caused by supplements. Whereas in my Death By Modern Medicine book, which I updated in 2014, I found three quarters of a million premature death due to drugs, medical interventions, dying of a bedsore in a nursing home. I added them all up, because the statistics are all there. They can’t be covered up but it just takes people to unearth them.
We can finish here because I’m saying that people have to take responsibility for their own health. You cannot go to a doctor these days and expect to be told how to stay healthy. You will just be offered a prescription medication.
Dr. Veronica: What has happened that we have ended up there. Because I meet people every day, every week, talk to them a lot. Who would rather go to their doctor under the unaffordable care act, get a prescription for free, than to make an investment in their health. How did we get to the point where this is what the situation is. How do you believe that happened?
Dr. Carolyn: It’s got to be a combination of many factors. When the economy crashed in 2008 they became even more massively stressed. They just don’t have time to take care of their health, exercise, or cook their own food. Health care is focused on drugs and medicine. And they promote the PBS specials which the public pays for to tell you that you need the drugs. You’re scared. It’s fear-based constantly.
And even in the supplement industry there’s fear based selling. I have consults with people who are on 300-500 different supplements a day. This one person was going to a nutritionist. Every time she went there was another dozen different supplements because she had so many symptoms. In the middle of it it was symptoms from having too many supplements.
It’s commercialized, allopathic medicine which I call allopathetic medicine. The commercialization of natural medicine puts us in the same ballpark of people being sold supplements as a fear-based mechanism so they won’t develop diseases. But if you don’t eat a proper diet, and in my world it’s about getting your proper minerals.
I’ve spent the last number of years since I attended the Codex meetings trying to encourage people to take food-based vitamins and minerals that are well-absorbed. And actually I finally had to start my own company and I have a handful of supplements that are doing extremely well because they’re well-absorbed.
This is my focus. It’s no longer just talking and writing my 33 books and 110 Kindles because don’t have time to read. They just want to be told what to do. And if a doctor tells them what to do they’ll take the pill. If I tell them what to do they’ll take my supplements. It is kind of a losing battle. But like they say in the bible it’s for who shall ever will. If you do a bit of homework, take supplements that really work, then you stick with it, you stay healthy, and you stay out of doctor’s offices.
Dr. Veronica: One of the strategies that I use with my clients is supplements on a short-term basis. And so we start out with something, I’m like, “We have to get you together and then in three months we’re going to re-assess because I don’t want you taking 100 million different things all the time. You don’t necessarily need them all the time.”
And I also talk about, “Listen, there are things out there, the phytonutrients, the minerals, the names that you haven’t heard of. But it’s really important to get high quality supplements that you know that what’s in them is really what’s in them. But on the other side there’s also a lot of people who their body is so broken, especially their digestive system, that no matter what they take they’re not going to absorb it also.
Have you come across people that they’re broken. You got to fix it in a particular way to make sure that they’re absorbing their food and their supplements?
Dr. Carolyn: Exactly. Perfect words. I’ve written a blog that’s titled Too Toxic To Detox, where people are just in such a broken state. What I do there is I do people on external treatments, doing saunas, doing Epsom salt baths, doing clay baths, everything external, because some people’s bodies are on such hyper alert from being so toxic that anything they take, even if it’s something that’s good and beneficial, their body will react negatively to it and throw it out.
I don’t know if in our last conversation I talked about my products, but when you’ve got something like my magnesium which 100% absorbed at the cellular level, it doesn’t even have to have an intact digestive system in order to absorb it. And something like spraying that type of magnesium on your skin, you’ll get the absorption in your cells.
These are the intricacies that we have to develop and work with now because people have become so toxic, the medications that we talk about. Antibiotics will kill off your good and bad bacteria and allow yeast to overgrow in your intestines. And medicine does not even acknowledge the possibility of yeast overgrowth.
I’ve written books on yeast and have treated it for decades. And this yeast, Candida albicans, it produces 178 different toxins and gut that’s not intact they’ll be absorbed into the blood stream. And they’ll cause brain fogs, they’ll cause joint pains, dizziness, and all kinds of symptoms that nobody can identify. And symptoms that doctors can’t identify then they begin calling it depression or anxiety.
We’re in such a state with our yeast overgrowth, lack of minerals in the soil… Dr. Veronica, I have people who’s consulted me who are on a 100% raw diet, or they’re on these crazy 140 ounces of green drink a day, and they’re suffering heart palpitations and leg cramps, which is magnesium deficiency until proven otherwise. And they say, “How can that be? I’m eating all these green stuff.”
If your green stuff is not grown on soil that has magnesium in it, it doesn’t even matter. We’ve got soil depletion. And we were adding up the list, the stress, people working two to three jobs, the lack of proper food, eating out, and GMO’s. It sounds horrific. But I say to people, try to get yourself some organic food. Try to encourage your local organic farmers to put minerals on their soil. Take some supplements that are well-absorbed. And try to take care of your own health.
Yesterday I did an interview and someone was talking about the PBS special and said, “What do we do? Who’s going to lead us in this revolution?” I said, “I’d rather not be in the revolution and have myself in the firing line. I’m just a rebel. I’m a rebel who takes care of my body and doesn’t go to doctors.”
Dr. Veronica: I’ll remind you that this Wellness for the Real World. I’m Dr. Veronica on drveronica.com. I’m talking to Dr. Carolyn Dean. She talks about Death By Modern Medicine. But now we’re talking about minerals and especially magnesium. Actually magnesium is something that I realize is deficient in so many people. It is very, very important to your heart and muscles, just practically everything. Rarely do people talk about the minerals that are missing from our diet. Everybody’s worried about the vitamins, the ones that you know about, A, B, C, D.
Everybody’s talking about vitamin D, well guess what, you don’t have proper minerals in your body all bets are off even if you’re eating organic and you’re a raw foodie, and you think that you’re doing everything correct. I want to ask Dr. Dean.
Dr. Dean is Doctor, Doctor Dean. She’s an MD and a naturopath. Tell me, how did you end up getting both degrees, because that’s a lot of work.
Dr. Carolyn: Well, it was back at the time when there were no naturopathic schools up in Canada. I had a real focus on natural health and nutrition. I went to medical school just because that was the only thing I could get into that would give me the background I wanted. And when I got out then I start doing my naturopathic training. I always was focused on natural medicine and it served me well. Because up to these days that you need drugs there are so many things that you can use but doctors are never trained in that.
And it has been since I was in medical school in the mid-70’s that this life-long drug intake, the preventative use of drugs for cholesterol and other chronic diseases came about. When I was in medical school in the mid-70’s we were taught to use drugs short-term until the body could recuperate and have the ability to take care of itself.
Now someone has a heart arrhythmia which is a magnesium deficiency until proven otherwise. If someone has a heart arrhythmia they go in the hospital and they are put on about six drugs. “Take that in case your cholesterol becomes elevated. Your blood pressure…”
Dr. Veronica: So we could kill your heart even more.
Dr. Carolyn: Yes. We can laugh about it but you and I both know we talk to the people who are just beaten down into the ground with their six heart drugs because they figured that’s the end of it. And doctors feel that’s the end of it too. They never see people getting better. And they keep saying, “You have to stay on the drugs because we can’t cure atrial fibrillation.”
My latest book on Kindle, Atrial Fibrillation: ReMineralize Your Heart, I’ve got incredible testimonials from people who remineralized their heart, and they cured their atrial fibrillations. So we know it’s possible. But when you’re in a medical situation and you’re on six medications that are draining your magnesium, how on earth are you going to treat a magnesium deficient condition?
Dr. Veronica: Yes. And what I tell people is there’s so many people in America. You are on fire when you walk into your doctor’s office. And we as conventionally trained Western doctors have been taught how to put out the fire. So we spray on the high pressure hose. But then once the fire goes out and the hoses are turned off you have to rebuild the heart. You have to rebuild the body. Somebody has to rebuild.
And so those of us who are holistic, who are treating people with homeopathy… I love homeopathy, it’s so wonderful, homeopathy, holistic therapies, vitamins, nutrients, food, readjusting, we are the ones who are rebuilding your house. And yes, it is possible to get a cure from these diseases that you were told that are uncurable. Yes, it is.
And so I just want to have people know that there is hope. There’s something out there besides Lipitor. There’s something out there besides aspirin to keep you from getting heart disease and heart attacks. There’s something there that you can do, something that you can use that’s not going to hurt you. It’s actually going to rebuild you.
And so I got to get Russell in here because I know he’s chomping at the bit to ask some questions. And he loved talking to you before. Russell, jump in now and say something.
Russell: Okay. Dr. Dean, it’s good to talk to you again.
Dr. Carolyn: Thanks Russell.
Russell: I have a question for you. I myself, I’ve been to two different doctors who both told me, actually scolded me for taking supplements, and told me to stop. One of them cited the consumer report study a few years back where they examined various supplements taken off the shelves from different stores. And even from big chains like GNC who you would think you can trust, they would not even find the ingredients listed in the label. Or they would find different compounds.
And they pointed out to me of course, which I already knew that there’s no FDA for supplements. There’s no overseeing body to check quality. What do you think about that?
Dr. Carolyn: There’s a number of layers there Russell, if you know. The PBS special tried to say that too. But if you read my blog on PBS and supplements, just put in PBS supplements in name, I go through the different layers of how the PBS tries to put down supplements.
What happens with the FDA is we have the DSHEA Act which protects the supplement industry and protects the public. What happens with the supplement is that the supplement industry cannot put anything out that’s dangerous. Even the FDA on drugs does not say that the drugs have to be helpful. They say they have to be harmful, and we know that isn’t even true.
The ingredients in the supplements are regulated by the FDA for adulteration and misbranding. And so they are followed. If a supplement company does not want to get their license pulled, etc., they comply, which is what I do with my supplements.
But there is such a huge market out there that there are a lot of companies, including drug companies that are making supplements that are synthetic, that don’t have in them what they’re supposed to have in them. And that’s partly why I got into selling a few supplements, because I want to make sure that they’re perfect and not adulterated.
But even then I’ve had a situation where a so-called lab has taken a product that they say is mine. They haven’t gotten it from me. They’ve said it doesn’t have in it what it says it does. And if I want to get the lab test expunged I have to pay them money. There’s huge, horrible bribery and corruption going on at every level.
And doctors don’t know what to say about it. They’ll look at the consumer reports. But then the fact of the matter about supplements is doctors do not learn anything about supplements in medicals. They can do 200 hours of biochemistry like I did. They can look up at the charts and see the Kreb cycle which is the energy producing cycle in the body, producing ATP. They can see the six of the eight steps of that cycle requiring magnesium, but it doesn’t get into their clinical application.
And that’s where we’re sorely lacking in proper leadership of the public in use of supplements. Because it’s up against the drug companies. They don’t want supplements sold. They want to control them themselves so that they don’t interfere with drugs.
Dr. Veronica: Yes, and this is why there’s Wellness for the Real World, so we can continue to educate people what is really going on out there. And I recommend that you find practitioners who can help you manage your health. You need a team of people. I don’t tell people to throw away their conventional doctor but a lot of people want to throw them away. I get it. I’ve been there, done that, I’ve seen it. But you need a team.
And so that means that not just your conventional doctors which you have an endocrinologist, a heart doctor, a primary care doctor, you have to have an acupuncturist, an acupressurist, a chiropractor, a naturopath, a trainer, somebody in homeopathy, herbals, you have to have a team of people who are going to know what to do with the proper time.
And then if it’s something’s not in their lane they’ll say, “This is not my lane. I don’t know about that. But I do know someone who can help you with that.” I think in conventional medicine today we just say, “Oh, they’re quacks.” I’m a medical intuitive. I can read people’s energy very accurately without meeting them at all. And so people love to call me a quack because I do something that they cannot explain based on scientific double blind studies. It works very well to help people.
And so I think we’ve gotten into this country where the studies, which are controlled by the pharmaceutical industry, and by the people with the purse strings, the studies are what we all look at and read. But we don’t realize that even studies are interpreted to be able to sell people stuff that’s bad for them. Comment about those studies selling, even how they interpret the data to make it seem like it’s something that’s not.
Dr. Carolyn: Yes, exactly. In depth by modern medicine I speak about that quite a bit where you can giggle scientific studies, problems with them, illegalities. It’s rampant where researchers are actually hired by a drug company to put the focus in a certain way on a study. And how they need to do is have the headline say something like cholesterol drug improves heart disease. But then when you read the details of the study which I do, it turns out this drug may be 5% better than the last one, that people just look at the headings. Or in conversely a bad supplement they’ll say supplements are dangerous and could kill you. But they can never prove that.
It is all about the media perception and the headlines. And it’s the scare tactics, which as you said at the outset, people will get their free drugs because they’re afraid of doing otherwise. And they go to their doctor with side effects of these drugs, and they’re told, “No, it’s all in your head. Here, take this other drug for the side effect of the first drug.”
I don’t know. I’m afraid, it sounds like we’re being so negative here that we can’t get out of this quandary. But again I’ll say, if people can get organic, non-GMO foods, learn who their farmer is, take some food-based vitamins and some well absorbed minerals, you can follow my work at my website which I’m sure you’ll give out.
And follow someone who’s done their homework, who’s been around for decades like myself and Dr. Veronica to get our opinion where we will tell you what we’ve been up against these many years, where people are trying to pat you on the head and say, “Just do what I tell you.” We’re trying to tell you to do your homework. And then when you take something it does have to work within three months. And if it doesn’t you put it aside. And that could go for drugs too except you have to be very careful about weaning off your medication so you don’t have a rebound of your condition.
Dr. Veronica: I’m talking with Dr. Carolyn Dean, drcarolyndean.com is where you can reach her. I’m Dr. Veronica of drveronica.com. And you can get information there. We are both happy when people send in the contact form and ask us questions that have to do with health. We can guide you and we guide people.
I tell people come and I’m like, “No, I don’t take over your primary care. I’m going to coach you. We’re going to sit knee to knee and I’m going to teach you, and you’re going to implement. And your body is going to be the lab.” And so either it’s going to work or it’s not going to work. And if it doesn’t work… First it should work in a reasonably quick period of time you should start seeing results. And when I tell people start seeing results I’m saying one to two weeks you should start seeing some differences. A lot of times it’s much quicker than that.
But I want to thank Dr. Carolyn Dean for her work and doing everything that you’ve been doing. Going in. Being outspoken. Being a prolific author, people can go get her books on amazon.com. On my site drveronica.com, I will have links for Dr. Dean so that you can be able to find her and find her books on Amazon. She’s going to be a go-to guest whenever there’s something hot that comes up because you want to know exactly what is, is.
Realize when you’re watching those commercials on TV and you see the couple strolling around what’s happening? They’re telling you all the side effects. They’re making you feel good. So there’s cognitive dissonance. This is what they tell you. They’re making you feel good as they tell you all the things that are going to hurt you, not help you, but hurt you.
And it’s true. That’s called informed consent. It’s true. So I recommend America, you begin to listen to people like Dr. Carolyn. Of course I’m here on wellness for the real world, because out there in the real world you got to know what to do.
Dr. Carolyn Dean, keep doing your work. I want to make sure that you know how where to find Dr. Carolyn Dean, drcarolyndean.com. She also has some interesting work. Remember, magnesium, magnesium, and more magnesium. You need the minerals not just the vitamins. I’ve seen people get some remarkable results from magnesium.
Dr. Dean, thank you for being on Wellness for the Real World. Russell, thank you for chiming in and answer questions. I’m Dr. Veronica. Wellness for the Real World. You can reach me at drveronica.com. I’d love to hear from you. Please, keep tuning in and we’re going to bring you more interesting people so that you can master your body and your health.
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Dr. Veronica Anderson is an MD, Functional Medicine practitioner, Homeopath. and Medical Intuitive. As a national speaker and designer of the Functional Fix and Rejuvenation Journey programs, she helps people who feel like their doctors have failed them. She advocates science-based natural, holistic, and complementary treatments to address the root cause of disease. Dr. Veronica is a highly-sought guest on national television and syndicated radio and hosts her own radio show, Wellness for the REAL World, on FOX Sports 920 AM “the Jersey” on Mondays at 7:00 pm ET.