“When people are afraid you can see courageous things”
Dr. Kevin Ryan
Dr. Veronica Anderson, Host, Functional Medicine Specialist and Medical Intuitive interviews Dr. Kevin Ryan as they talk about surviving cancer, oncology and medical marijuana treatment.
Have you or someone you love been diagnosed with cancer? Kevin P. Ryan, MD FACP COL USAF (ret ) graduated summa cum laude, Phi Beta Kappa from Georgetown University, summa cum laude, AOA from Georgetown Medical School and was heavily decorated during his career in the USAF medical corps retiring as a full Colonel . He is a clinical full Professor at UC Davis School of Medicine and has authored numerous research and clinical papers, book chapters, and abstracts in Hematology/Oncology.
In the episode, Dr. Kevin Ryan talks about his medical career as a cancer doctor, using Web MD for self-diagnosis and ways you can find a qualified practitioner. We also talk about what to do when given an untreatable diagnosis and if you can ingest too much vitamin C. Listen to then end to learn about medical marijuana and the effect it has on anxiety, nausea and vomiting.
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14: Show Notes
Dr. Veronica Anderson’s Links
03:00 – Dr. Kevin Ryan’s shadow box
06:40 – Medical career as a cancer doctor
13:30 – PhD on Web MD
17:10 – Finding qualified practitioners
23:00 – Untreatable diagnosis
26:00 – Vitamin C supplement pros and cons
30:21 – Medicinal Marijuana benefits
35:39 – Melanoma diagnosis
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Dr. Veronica: Welcome to another episode of The Wellness Revolution. Today we’re going to talk about the big C word. You know that big C word that everybody dreads? If it hasn’t affected you it’s affected somebody close to you. Everybody knows someone in their family who has had the big C and that is cancer.
What’s the issue with cancer besides people feel that when they get that diagnosis they’re staring death right in the face, and they are. They have to change. They have to do something different. But what also happens is you who have cancer as the patient you have no idea what to do and who to turn to for advise other than you go to the biggest hospital you can find, the doctors that you can find. Your family has nobody that they know who to turn to.
And there’s just a little bit more. It’s not just about should you have surgery, should you have chemotherapy, should you have radiation? What about alternative care? Who do you ask these questions? Well, now there is someone that you can ask these questions of and a book you can read about. And so I’m bringing that to you today. Well, who better than an oncologist?
This gentleman, Dr. Kevin Ryan, is extremely special not only because he’s been an oncologist but because he’s also a decorated retired colonel. So we’re going to hear a little bit about that, where he’s been in this life and what made him decide to write this book.
He has a book, I want to tell you about it several times during the interview because I want you to go get it, When Tumor Is the Rumor and Cancer Is the Answer. Doctor, oncologist, author… doctor in three different medical fields, oncologist Dr. Kevin Ryan. Welcome to Dr. Veronica’s Wellness Revolution.
Dr. Ryan: Thanks a lot. I appreciate being here.
Dr. Veronica: So much Dr. Ryan, I really appreciate that you’re on and that you’ve decided to talk to all of us as potential patients, as families of patients about the big C word. Because you have seen firsthand what happens to people when they get the diagnosis. You’ve held their hands, you’ve helped some of them live. Some of them unfortunately have not lived despite your best efforts. You’ve laughed with them, you’ve cried with them. You’ve done everything in your ability but then you realize there was some void. First, before we get into that, you have that beautiful behind you all these medals. Tell us a little bit about the medals first.
Dr. Ryan: This is called a shadow box and it’s what’s given to you when you finally retire. The edit is a flag that’s been flown over your last facility. And then the larger medals are the various awards that you’ve been given. I don’t have any combat medals. I have a tour of duty of ribbons. But I was not a gun totting soldier. But it’s the equivalent of a silver star and a bronze star. They’re trace service medals and joint service meeting, all three services recognized what you did. Commendation medals, and humanitarian medals, and the achievement medals, and things like that, longevity, excellence in teaching, career service, distinguished service award, those types of things.
The thing is that when you see them you see them a lot on generals, brigadier generals, some colonels will have those in the ribbons, or they’ll wear their in their mess dress which is their tuxedo-like dress uniform. It looks very nice.
Dr. Veronica: All three of my sons in high school for a while went to military academy and they used to get all these little decorations and award from being on the honor roll, good behavior, and all these type of pieces that they put on their uniform, and things around their neck.
It was exciting because when they made the honor roll or the president’s list on mother’s day we would go and be able to pin the stars on our son’s uniform. It was always something that was just very special. Even though they weren’t in the former military, it was a military school with a lot of people who are retired military who were running it. It was a very special experience.
Difficult but gave them discipline and manners that until today although they’re not in that they know how to treat people. It’s interesting because we believe that you fight but the men and women who serve in the military, you just meet them and have so much respect for everybody they meet which is a value in the military that you never think about.
Dr. Ryan: It’s all true. The pinning aspect is also retained on the active duty side. When you make full bird colonel instead of what we call a telephone colonel. Where the phone rings and you’re a lieutenant colonel and you answer and say, “Colonel Ryan,” but you’re really just a lieutenant colonel.
Full bird, that’s when you have the wings, you might see it under [Unintelligible 00:06:06] those early uniforms. It’s an honor if you can have a general give you one of his colonel’s wings from his uniform to pass it down. And then if you proceed in rank you can pass yours down. Some of them are multiple generations long. The surgeon general gave me his wings. It was very nice.
Dr. Veronica: Oh wow, okay.
Dr. Ryan: It’s part of the endorsement rule book.
Dr. Veronica: How amazing. Let’s switch over to your medical career. I know that oncologist, internal medicine, hematology, that you’re trained in all three of those. But your main career has been as a cancer doctor. Tell us a little bit about that and what got you into writing this book.
Dr. Ryan: When I was growing up I was one of those kids that said I want to be doctor. Some we find our way at different points for different reasons. There’s no rhyme or reason necessarily. But when I was a little boy, three, four, five years old I’m going to be a doctor.
Science, dealing with people’s emotions, and perceiving how people felt were two things that I really gravitated to. The science, more and more I went through it, you think of the malignant cell, it’s the ultimate Sherlock Holmes, it’s the ultimate caper. It’s the great mimicker. It’s the marauder. It’s the masquerader of what is normal. You figure out what makes it tick and how did it get away with being alive then you’re figuring out a huge amount about the normal immune surveillance system in the entire body.
Also oncologists tend to be people who are attracted to huge volumes of knowledge because the cancer affects all the parts of the body. So you have to be a pretty good nephrologist, a pretty good infectious disease, and so on down the list. And that really keeps you sharp and on the cutting edge.
The research also tends to be very fast. It’s like watching Disney, dreams come true. It takes a decade or two but we were talking about the concept of a monoclonal antibody and giving a Nobel Prize in 1975. And now there’s a few hundred of them on the market, from rheumatoid arthritis and inflammatory biologies, to numerous types of malignancies. And there are other examples.
We were talking about cells in the immune system, when we discovered there were cells that were like marines which would be the cells that you would find in something that was acutely infected and you saw it in an infected area, pustule. Those are like marines, the neutrophils, the cells that hit the beach first. We learned about them.
And then we learned a whole different family called lymphocytes, very smart cells. Then we realized there were two different kinds. One made these grenades like antibodies. What thrilled them it’s specific bad guys, and the others were the real grades. They were the T-cells, because they got programmed early on in life when they ran through the thymus gland in the neck.
And now a dream was these killer T-cells, because that’s what they do, if can gym them up, if we can really get them practically pissed off at a specific cancer foreign aspect that the cancer cell has but normal cells don’t. The so-called heart cells are now being reported right now, today, at the American Society of Hematology, of causing in remissions in acute lymphoblastic leukemia that have never been seen before. Soon it’ll be commercially available, and the techniques will be available.
The speed is phenomenal. And I know it was a field that would do that. The biotechnology aspect would be enormous. There was no chance to make a lot of money because I was on active duty. Although I was there with the first team to make the first human monoclonal antibody, and the reason why that’s important is because if you give one dose of the typical early antibodies you get anti [Unintelligible 00:10:41] antibodies from that.
Because it’s like a vaccine but it’s a vaccine made from an animal, and you make a reaction to that animal. We were able to develop at scripts on UC San Diego the humanized version and it took off. The field just took off but not with me financially. I just continued on my active duty career and the joy of watching it just actively fly. And now we have [Unintelligible 00:11:10], there’s so many products.
That’s all very safe. That’s one aspect. That’s the science. The other side is the people. When people are afraid you can see courageous things, you can see things we recognize clearly as fear, but they know what they’re afraid of. When people are anxious they don’t know what it is. It’s the same feelings but it’s worst. It’s fear of the unknown. And the fear of the unknown is like sucking parts of your soul and slicing your psyche. It is devastating.
And to be able to enter into the anxiety of these patients who don’t know what it is that is about to occur, and there are so much in oncology that they could know. And they could be a co-captain of their ship as is been said that the change to be part of that puts you so close to the human spirit, so close to the human soul, so close to what it is to be human, to be a divine vessel, that’s what I believe, there’s nothing else like it.
In orthopedics you slam a hip into somebody, walk away, here’s some paid bills, and it’s over. Now I get letters from orthopods but in oncology if you want to there’s a chance to be the parish priest, or to be the spiritual guide, or listener, to be the friend, the comforter, the counselor, the informer, the co-collaborator, the team builder, the co-captain, the confidant. All these roles are present to you and they guide the major decisions occur, the guide, but not the one that says you must do this because based on autonomy, one of the first sections of my book always comes first. So you must educate them and thus the book.
Dr. Veronica: Okay. Wait, let’s talk about it. You said that operative word, you must be educated. You must educate them. You wrote the book to educate. We’re in the time where everybody has their PhD from WebMD. And sometimes it’s quite difficult because everybody believes that they have as much expertise as doctors who have years and years of training and experience on real life people, and know the research, and know how to get results. So you say, what about these PhD’s in WebMD?
Dr. Ryan: Well, it’s a great risk is what I say. It’s as if you were to say I own a Ford. Alright, go find it in the world’s largest Ford parking lot. That’s a Ford factory in [Unintelligible 00:14:06], Michigan for example. You can’t. I own a Ford and I tell you the make and model. Well, there’s thousands of them. You still can’t. Alright, I’ll tell you the color. You still can’t. You need the vehicle identification number. You need to be that specific.
When you’re reading on the web and consulting Dr. Google you’re not consulting about you, you’re consulting about broad brushes of a particular disease at best. But you’re not consulting about the details of you. And you are feeding your anxiety. You’re usually making it worst.
However, directed to good sites and for instance clinical trials, and so the NIH and the National Cancer Institute. Once you’re in the loving arms of your oncology team that can be a great asset when used appropriately. But it’s not an asset.
What’s the first thing that you do? Go rushing out. Smoke the latest whatever, or take up Joe’s Kickapoo Joy Juice, whatever. You end up with 40% of people, and we think it’s at least a $50 billion industry looking to complementary alternative medicine before and or during their care for their cancer. And doctors need to know this because these things can interact. And there are very effective therapies as well as there are times when there is no effective therapy. So you try to help them guide them then with the best things that won’t hurt them that might give them the least placebo effect and god willing perhaps, something more.
Dr. Veronica: Wait, let’s talk again about Uncle Joe’s Kickabook Joy Juice. And you spoke about complementary and alternative medicine. Now, having switched my career into functional medicine and dealing with homeopathy I’ve gotten training in helping people with cancer. I always tell people it’s not either or, it’s both. And you need to partner with people who really do know something.
And so I’ve to conferences where there’s a lot of research on treatments that work for people in conjunction with other treatments. There are types of treatments that work when there’s been failure of everything that’s out there on the market. And I associate with doctors who get phenomenal results especially those people who have no other hope in anything else. But also in supporting people in their nutritional status, with things that IV nutritional therapy while they’re going through this so that they end up doing maybe better than somebody who does nothing at all.
How do you tell people to partner with not Uncle Joe but with a practitioner who has some background and training. Because I have information on very specific protocols, very specific stuff that works and doesn’t work, and things that are just downright stupid, and others that, oh my gosh. That I be called human. There’s thousands of studies on that and it works and this that and the other thing. And here’s the results of it. How do you tell people to find qualified practitioners to help them with the complementary and alternative therapies?
Dr. Ryan: Three things, one is to remember that anecdote is not synonymous nor spelled the same as antidote. The majority, wishing to offend no one including yourself of what’s out there is not point number two, an appropriately done, controlled clinical trial with biases removed, placebo included, standard of care being involved, replicated by independent third parties, approved by institutional review boards, and that editorial review, and published in peer review journals, and of course replicated.
The vast majority, doesn’t mean it isn’t true. But it does mean that you can’t say it. Then we have statistical significance. Meaning if I take a coin and I flip it… a penny. Let’s just presume that if we cut a penny directly in half the weight on side equals the weight on the other side. Let’s just make that presumption. If I flip the penny in the air and I get six heads in a row, and I ask people what are the odds that I’m going to get another head. They were always 50/50. It’s an anecdote that you saw six heads. The reality was it was always 50/50.
The third part which you asked, what do you do to find a practitioner? Well, you become informed. And you let the patient, once you brought them in to standard allopathic medicine and be honest with yourself as to what is and is not available you really do have to be informed.
And fortunately now the National Cancer Institute does have a superb site for complementary and alternative medicine and they don’t point fingers. They don’t humiliate. They don’t poo poo. They report on this is what we know so far. And the FDA has come a long way also with, “This is what we know so far and we don’t know. We can’t make a statement one way or the other.”
You also mentioned if a patient is terminal, you didn’t use that word, but where there are standard other forms of care are reasonably not available, first of all you question whether that’s true by searching the web. The physician should for trials that are out there to be sure have for your patient they do or do not fit a trial both logistically were they physically are. And can they afford it? Where are they going? Will it be approved and so on?
In addition to physically, based on their performance, status, how healthy they are, what type of tumor, where is the tumor, how good are their blood values. You do that work to be sure that when you say this is what’s out there from a thorough search of literature, the internet is a god-send. And you can do, an oncologist can’t do that very quickly.
You can then say, “I have nothing more. I have these things that I can do that can make you feel better. And if I also have a hospice which has a beautiful goal to play, social workers. I have support groups. But I don’t personally have myself a practitioner’s basis a complementary alternative medicine.
I can’t tell you that anything has been shown, for example, to cure with statistical significant results pancreatic cancer for example, metastatic colon cancer, metastatic lung cancer. Are there anecdotes? Absolutely. Is there hard data? Absolutely not. Let’s give a different example. Let’s look at…
Dr. Veronica: Let me just ask the difference about this, the hard data. Because one of the difficulties in complementary and alternative is there’s just not funding for it a lot of times. So it’s very difficult to do these large studies. And there’s people who look into it. Very scientific. I’ve been to places where there’s science going on to the best of their ability but the type of studies that are funded by the government and drug companies, where they’re going to sell it on the stock market or whatever it’s just not there for certain types of complementary and alternative therapies.
Therefore I don’t know if we’re ever going to get there with that rigor that we get there with a particular drug because that’s not the slant of where we’re going right now in this country. Having said that how do people identify something reasonable once they have stage four lung cancer? And I have a relative that has stage four lung cancer. He was told, “You have a very rare type and there’s nothing that you can do.” And I’m just like, “Well, I understand you’ve gone for trials and later decide that nothing’s appropriate for you. Here’s the point where you really need to consider something else.” The people that I see that get miracles when they’ve been told there’s nothing else are people who’ve tried these other things.
Now, before… I’ve never said anything to her. I know this has been going on for a couple of years but I never suggested anything until she shared… They said, “I have this rare gene, at stage four…” And I was thinking about managing or trying to do this, that, and the other thing. But I just said forget it and I said, “There are some other options out there for you.”
And here are people that I know who work in this area particularly. I don’t guarantee results but I’ve seen people that have anecdotally, because it’s not going to be a study, anecdotally have gotten some results. Whereas the traditional oncologist has said… People get angry when you say hospice. Especially my cousin’s wife, she’s 50. You say hospice I’m like, “I’m mad you said hospice.” What does somebody like that do?
Dr. Ryan: They have to be [Unintelligible 00:24:05] well by an open minded oncologist that we don’t know everything. That’s the first thing, and that’s very important. And that’s not very common but it should be.
They also need to be told that many of the drugs that we have, not just in oncology but in the pharmacopoeia, the group of drugs that we use to treat human diseases come from the plant and animal kingdom, and found their origin in the plant and animal kingdom. We’re synthesized by rational drug design looking at corollaries in the plant and the animal kingdom. Could there be other things out there? Not only could there be, they’re most certainly are but we haven’t stumbled on all of them.
The patient’s autonomy is the second point. In 1896, back in the days when MD meant magnificent demagogue, the Supreme Court said, “No more of that. The patient is co-captain of the ship. The patient is in charge of their own body.” And the oncologist needs to have that discussion and usually doesn’t. And they need to have that discussion with the patient that, “You’re in charge here of these kinds of decisions.
I already mentioned how the oncologist should be aware in their regional area, in their geographic area if there are others out there. It’s equally incumbent upon that oncologist to know what has been proven to hurt people.
There’s two ways they can be heard. One is psychosocially where expectations are raised. There’s little understanding of the placebo effect you’ll get 12-13% response if you give people just water intravenously. And that’s [Unintelligible 00:25:51] programming and that’s based on your neurochemicals that are telling us that we believe that we’re getting an active drug and those that believe that actually about 12% of the time feel better, if not that their tumors remit. You want these people to be avoiding things that are known to hurt, to cause harm, that have been seen to do bad things.
Dr. Veronica: For example, can you give us some that you know will do harm.
Dr. Ryan: Let’s use a popular one from the past, [Unintelligible 00:26:25] have cyanide in it. Then we have vitamin C. [Unintelligible 00:26:31] and one dummy of the year award when he talked about maybe doses of vitamin C. Vitamin C, although it’s a water soluble vitamins, which means it is dissolvable in water… You know this but for our listening audience, nonetheless will crystallize inside the kidney structures and other parts of the body if it’s given in the doses that he recommended.
And finally the trials were done and he said these hurts people. This not only doesn’t help this hurts people. Those are two famous examples. Another one, marijuana.
Dr. Veronica: Yey, that’s what I was going to ask you next. Go ahead with the marijuana.
Dr. Ryan: …is different. It’s different that THC, and THC is different than the individual cannabinoids. When we speak of marijuana we need to understand amongst us what we are talking about. We’re talking about smoking a joint, doing a doobie, hitting the bond. That’s inhaled foreign substances and generally not a good idea out of the gate. It’s usually not good inhaling that much particulate matter. There isn’t a lot of data that suggest that doing so causes lung cancer or pulmonary lung disease. There just isn’t a lot.
And there’s also the issue of purity, you don’t know what it is that you’re getting. You also don’t know the concentration. Back in the ’70s..
Dr. Veronica: Let me back up a little bit because there are many states or enough states right now that have made marijuana legal and won enough that everybody in the country can now get there pretty easily to get it at a legal… And they have these medicinal dispensaries, and you can get gummy bears, brownies, and cookies, and all kinds of stuff. It’s evolved. And I’ve heard anecdotally people talking about decreases in pain, decreases in nausea, decreases in their anxiety level from using these type of preparations. Talk a little bit about that. What’s going on?
Dr. Ryan: I’m actually going to be interviewed by another radio station precisely on marijuana, so it’s a perfect topic, very timely for me. This is what we have. Back in the ’70s the concentration was about three and a half percent, tetrahydrocannabinol or nine delta THC. It’s a lot of scientific language for saying the most psychoactive substance that’s in there, which turns out not to be necessarily the most active substance for the amelioration or the improvement or treatment of various symptoms by the way.
The FDA looked at data through the late ’70s and early ’80s and trials began out of the more than a dozen cannabinoids, cousins, friends, and incentually-related compounds were found in pot. They came out with the drug Marinol. And Marinol is an approved drug for the treatment of chemotherapy-related nausea and or vomiting when other therapies do not work. And here’s what the data says regarding it.
Hear me out because there’s kind of good news for the marijuana people at the end. It does not work as well as the drugs that we have. It doesn’t. If it does for an individual then it does for that individual and that’s a great thing. But it does not in any trial ever have been shown to work as well. It works but not as well.
However, it may be one stop shopping where one drug is giving you anti-anxiety, a sense of euphoria, an increased appetite leading to weight gain, decreased nausea, and decreased vomiting rather than five drugs that individually can do that better compared to one drug that doesn’t do it as well but might do it.
My recommendation is to oncologists, know the literature regarding marijuana and understand another point which is the purity and the potency is not necessarily regulated in every state. It’s what that vendor claims. You remember Maui Wowie, or Panama Red, or whatever from the ’70s. And they say this has this potency. They don’t know that. They haven’t done a high pressure liquid chromatography. They’re not going to pay the money to do that. But we do know through continual cultivation and reading of these cultivars, these plants that come from constant application of agricultural principals they’re far more potent.
You see that people who have used it before tend to now have adverse reactions and have a positive response in just about every survey. And you see people who have not used it before or have a slightly greater chance of seizures, psychosis, dysphoria, and hallucinations. It’s very bad.
Dr. Veronica: What does that mean? Does that mean that…
Dr. Ryan: You warn the patient who’s never seen it before and you hope and pray that the person who’s vending it… In some states in Colorado they actually do want to look at the purity and have them marked as to the potency. You starting very low. You don’t use something that is oral if they can. Taking it by another means because oral’s very rapidly absorbed and very highly potent, which is very interesting. It’s usually not the case.
And you see in a friendly environment how did they do when nothing else is working. You embrace it with them early on that I am open, now in California, to the use of this in our armamentarium. I have drugs for nausea and vomiting that taste good and work phenomenally, [Unintelligible 00:32:46]. It works great. It was the drug that I was a principal investigator on that helped develop it.
It’s a phenomenal drug but it doesn’t also add the euphoria, the weight gain, and the increased appetite. It doesn’t give you all this non-stop shopping. So you have to have an open mind that this particular drug, Marinol, and smoking pot can in some people have a positive outcome. And the positive outcome is going to lead to higher quality of life and possibly longer survival, definitely an increased sense of control which is hugely important to the human psyche and soul. And occasional overdoses on Oreo’s and peanut butter.
Dr. Veronica: I’ve not taken that then. I would be the person to have the psychosis because I’ve never smoked marijuana or done anything with it. All my friends are and I’m not doing it. I just would be the… I’m open to it. I have people who want to argue with me, it’s the best thing that ever happened. I’m just like, “Wait, there’s more to be said about it. I’m not opposed to it but wait.”
I really appreciate that extensive explanation about marijuana use for medicinal purposes. And now we know, for those of you who’ve done it before it’s more likely to have a positive, beneficial effect in how you feel. Your quality of life will be enhanced. And of course, when we have people who have any type of disease we want them to have a better quality of life.
I just want to say, When Tumor Is the Rumor and Cancer Is the Answer, Dr. Kevin Ryan, thank you so much for your time, for your service to our country, for your service to people who are in a crunch with cancer and don’t know what to do, first as a clinician but also now as an author to help them navigate the system. Thank you so much for the interview Dr. Kevin Ryan.
Dr. Ryan: It’s been a real pleasure. I do want to add that this is a nonprofit. I paid for all the production of the book myself. It’s my way of saying thank you to the folks who came in and laid their life and their fears in my hands, and instead helping me. And this is a good way to try and help them to get this message out that there’s a book that walks them through all the aspects of oncology and what could happen to them so that they are not in the dark. Right upfront they can be exceedingly knowledgeable, know where to go and what to read in addition to the book.
If just for a moment I could tell, you asked why I got started, one was I diagnosed a melanoma on my arm in one of my first year of oncology fellowship. That was very humbling. No one gave me comfort. No one put their arm around me.
And then the chief master sergeant of the Navy which is the god of the Navy in the enlisted ranks was dying of multiple myeloma. I would go to him on rounds, the last patient, bring students with me because he was a guru and I was the little grasshopper. And he would teach me about the world.
He said to me 30 some odd years ago, “You shall write a book and you will write for us. You will tell us all the things we are never told and that we don’t know. And you’ll do it right when you’re ready to retire. This you will do for me.” I’ll never forget him. A wonderful man.
Dr. Veronica: Thank you so much. I really appreciate your time and your service. When Tumor Is the Rumor and Cancer Is the Answer, Dr. Kevin Ryan. I’m Dr. Veronica, The Wellness Revolution.
Dr. Ryan: Thanks Dr. Veronica.
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Dr. Veronica Anderson is an MD, Functional Medicine practitioner, Homeopath. and Medical Intuitive. As a national speaker and designer of the Functional Fix and Rejuvenation Journey programs, she helps people who feel like their doctors have failed them. She advocates science-based natural, holistic, and complementary treatments to address the root cause of disease. Dr. Veronica is a highly-sought guest on national television and syndicated radio and hosts her own radio show, Wellness for the REAL World, on FOX Sports 920 AM “the Jersey” on Mondays at 7:00 pm ET.
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